In a conversation between a member of Integration Nation, Christopher Wallace, a behavioral science trained counselor and hypnotherapist, and Dr. Robert Glover, a men’s coach and therapist, the topic of men’s dependence on women’s appreciation is discussed. The member, who is a hardworking caregiver for his wife, expresses his frustration over feeling unappreciated. Wallace suggests that men should not depend on appreciation from women, instead, they should embrace their role as defenders and providers. Dr. Glover agrees, stating that men mature emotionally when they stop looking for love and start giving it.